Make love brings babies
Make war kills babies
So stop make love and make war

This is just as good a spot as any to write this mini series novel so go top off your cup of java,crack open another brew or what ever it is you need to do at the moment!

First lets review the post http://www.zorgempire.com/forums/viewto ... 307#p56758 as it fits under this heading perfectly. If you leave it sit for any length of time..it will not be there when you get back on..especially if that 1.5 to 1.8 million resources is 90% deut. If you think you are the only person getting hit like this you would be wrong.You came to the forums to post that..all be it in the wrong spot,but non the less a post from someone outside the core posters,so means you have done some reading and the first thing you should pick up on right away...IT is a ---->WAR<---game.Just because a diplomacy mission worked with one alliance does not mean it is good for all and that all we leave you alone.And for the record if you have 1 planet with say for example 400,000 metal 20,000 crystal and 5,000,000 deut and another planet with 5,000,000 metal 1,000,000 crystal and 120,000 deut..i'm hitting the 5 mil deut planet long before i even care about the 5 mil metal one.Deut is all we care about and it is funny how much is left on planets behind mini turtles.
Where all that was leading to is no one cares what rank you are,if you leave it on the ground,someone is gonna be glad to pick it up and take it off your hands for ya whether it be me or BokiCa And all you people sending me PMs to stop Dex..thats up you to do cause he does not care what rank you are either.

Moving on to what may not fall under this post but we are gonna put in with this anyhow since it does have some tears in it as well.The recent Thorr event has brought up some good points,but also is a road we have been down once before.

a quote from kick

When I had gotten texted about all of this going down I raeged. Just because someone grows fast does not make someone a cheat. I do highly respect Righteous in this game, but if someone has suspicions on someone that is a friend of mine, they could have just asked me. I knew his times and everything, NOT A CHEAT. Apparently we can go around and accuse every good player of cheating and just make a profit that way! The admins **** up bad here and someone else made a profit from their mistake. I am very dissappointed at everyone here for assuming just because Thorr is a quiet guy, that he is a cheat. And yes 14k raids is easily possible in the 4 months or so that Thorr has played. That averages to about 100 per day, which is possible, just ask Dex.

Big glotr Thorr, you have gotten robbed here by everyone collectively and what makes it worse is that the admins were involved. What makes it even worse is that they admit you haven't cheated by letting you out and then will not re-imburse you. They literally robbed you of your time, energy and any rubies used. Its a sad day, and I can't say I am surprised at the admins A lot of people owe you major apologies

been there done that and thank goodness for Thorr it was not as bad as mine.This will lead to something else in a minute but lets focus here for just a second.

Without a doubt all bans,be it automatic or by admins should send accounts into VM.Currently only automatic bans by system send accounts into VM.I'm sure anyone would rather loss 3 days of raiding mining etc vs what has happened.

As far as the friend thing..personally i wouldn't care if he was friends with the Pope,if suspected wrong doings was being done i would put the ball in zorgs court to deal with everytime,and i dont care if he was #1 or 5001.It is not hard for people to deceive others and prime example is grom and AZG. Was easy for him to get their trust because of his game knowledge and to flush em out we in VVV had to go to war with AZG .Sometimes we get it right sometimes we get it wrong.But no matter what popular belief may be..upper ranked players have no more control over who zorg does or does not ban than anyone else.

But to go hand in hand with that..i REALLY don't agree with the loosy goosy emails zorg has been handing out here as of late regarding anyones accounts.And of course lets start with what came out in http://www.zorgempire.com/forums/viewto ... =19&t=5241.
Re: cuntis vs dex the recycling

Postby dexternl » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:21 pm
well just some facts I learned the last week speaking with some zorg people.

my buildings are 2nd in mining RJ makes the most income from his mines appearantly still. (when hes not in vmode )

i'm nr 1 in raids Raids : 42.687 | Wins : 42.476 | Losses : 211 jikes lots of work.
appearantly 2nd place had 25.625 with playing just 5months longer. (hmm i sure thought gump said he had 37k in kicks thread...)
3rd place was 17k or somethin.

these stats would be cool to see somewhere. like the stats zorg posted once on total defences being a total of 75mil ll before I added 25mil of them.


ow and u people think all i go is 80lc raids? since im not posting crashreports no more doesnt mean i dont do them. just didnt feel like posting them even tho i crashed 2 40rip fleets during last week. he should have jioned the rips in 1 fleet i never could have hit him lolz....

and the rec i just did on gump is nice for another mil ll enjoy ipming it down


why is needed to be seen at all? for one..and here is a little thing that info does not cover nor could it with your 'chat with zorg people'

i'm nr 1 in raids Raids : 42.687 | Wins : 42.476 | Losses : 211 jikes lots of work.
appearantly 2nd place had 25.625 with playing just 5months longer. (hmm i sure thought gump said he had 37k in kicks thread...)

loved this sarcasism but what that total does not have in it is my raid total prior to being reset and actually i been playing 9 months longer since game will only recognize this account from the moment i was reset in april not the time i played since Jan of that last year.Guess i have to apologize for actually having some sort of life away from zorg..and it should be easier now than when i started shortly after zorg was born as if you found an inactive with 40 50k res on it you was like a kid in the candy store.If you was lucky enough to find someone going inactive before the (i) appeared and they was capped with 1.1 mil you walked around with stiff one for a week braggin about that.Also you got the benefit of RF coming out shorty after you started and did not have to endure much of the he with the most of anything won out.Or the fact of sending 1 light figher at someone with a RiP and have the RiP be lost to its own reflection dmg.

But it appears everyones hero in Dex has more pull with admins than any of us do in getting those numbers.The have no value additive to the game and is just another way to hunt people down as if the scoreboard,rankings page and trade section wasn't enough fuel.

It also would appear your hero in Dex has helped make zorg a barren wasteland just as much if not more than all of us in 4H.You can call em a turtle a miner or whatever you want but Wins : 42.476 is alot of crashes and most of which appear to be on those 200 to 700 range people who are trying to get started judging by the pms i get.

But more than him me or anyone else the rules that be have just as much to do with it as anything else so the biggest reason for inactives fails on the makers of the game itself.

The biggest imbalance maker starts with

4. Bashing
It is not allowed to attack any given planet or moon owned by a player over 5 times in a single 24 hours period.

that is a potential total of 210 raids a day made by one player vs another so who the heck would really need to bash anyone.It is unlikely a new player would have 21 moons to go with his 21 planets.

that rule should have read like so
4. Bashing
It is not allowed to attack any player over 10 times in a single 24 hours period.

Can just imagine how much that would have slowed me and everyone else at the top down to keep points balance in check.

and then we have this,and the reason it is brought up is because the changes made in regards to its upcoming release back in the spring only to find out now in the fall we wont get it on this server...for reasons...oh god who knows

from zorg
My personal top 5 is:
-ACS attack implementation (although the general idea is not to implement it in any of the two existing universes to prevent confusion and disappointment - this will definitely be talked in another thread so keep referrals to this to a minimum)

just gonna stop right there since it is the only thing that has effected the game thus far..yes its unimplementation has effected the game play since you made changes to how much alliance depots cost to build in anticipation of something we will never get in extreme.New players do not see any value in wasting resources for such an expensive piece of junk not realizing it could save them if they had one.

Far as the cheat thing goes..i could care less anymore..grom could return and take you all out and it wouldn't phase me a bit.And for all those that use this txt or whatever it is called crap,say whatever you want but it is just as much a form of scripting as anything and for those that think we use it in 4H you are sorely mistakin as non of us are smart enough with computers to do that kind of crap.Hell for that matter the top 2 players can't even make a signature or avatar let alone some sort of scripting.It is just hard grind the pavement search em out,ask who was this idiot before and that normally leads to a F@#k it hit em all and let god sort it out response!

That is as they say is that,enjoy your day!

I'm BarackObamama and I support this message! lol

I think part of the point is I have been criticised for making raids that others make 100-150 of in a day... And they are celebrated for. There seems to be a double-standard with that. If one person with 18,000,000 points is a hero for making 100-150 raids a day netting less than 1.5 mill in total resources, what makes it wrong for another person with 18,000,000 points to make 1 raid like that. I used to raid for a lot less, but after between probing, finding planets you can raid, launching said raids, deleting esp. reports. and going through this cycle several times a day, 7 days a week. The grind becomes too much. And that is when you dont have anything going on in your rl. That is why I believe most people go inactive more than the whining. But the grind can be too much, therefore the vm feature was helpful. Because when you go that hard in game, the game becomes a job. And everyone needs a break from their job!

"Zorg Empire" - when you say something about that game to a player who has already played a similar game, the first thing that you say is its a never ending game.

Now I ask, in a never ending game what should be your primary objective?

To be there as long as you are able to. Cause this game already have seen some big shots come and go. All there remains is to see how good you were in respect to the others. When i first started I was in the old chat room with bunch of regulars and in a conversation weresloth told me that to be in the top 100 is a great feat to have.

now what do you do when you are in the top 100? If you think carefully you are just a name in the rank list of the game. Every one that joins in starts somewhere in that ladder, and the objective is to climb up from there. No at a place where i am now, it is not easy to gain ranks as it gets really competitive. The different play style that are available no matter what u do ofc has different growth speed. The fleeter turtle miner are basically styles designated as per your earned resource uses not how u earn it. Everybody fleets and raids but what you spend on defines who you are.

In this competitive ladder you will reach somewhere that your growth is comparatively slower than the players above you, that is when you know it is time for you to change your game style or if you cant be there and happy with it. Now what can you do to improve yourself. You can either just wait for others to quit above you, or really pull them down or push your way up.

For the first choice we have seen a fair few players tried that and are still in existence i am sure. But the growth really is faster for the later two especially those that push their way up.

And they do it by pulling in what ever they can do to make it so. 100 raids 150 raids? If i could i would be doing 200. Now what do you pull in, its a bit personal choice what kind of resource you are going to hunt on.

For the people getting raided, one simple phrase "STAY UNPROFITABLE".

Talking about having a bit of empathy of the players who are getting hit, I believe you all know I run a training camp, bet you would agree i do have empathy on that subject. But having empathy and not showing the right way of playing the game I believe is not same. I told all my members if you are getting hit, it is because you are not playing the game right. Learn from your mistakes and mistakes of others, there is no practical lessons better than that.

Now i would like to share a personal research of mine that i did when i first started.

300 BS 400 BS 500 BS and 700 BS, that are the period of BS i made when i had the fleet capacity in ZE to see what kind of players would go for that. Few names need to be thrown who were the tyrants at the time of my up brining in ze at least around me, Shaftoe, Bobwrox, DJ. They all tried to get me. Shaftoe succedded on the 500 BS. Bob tried to get the 700 BS fleet. Now what is important is I learned half of fleeting from that period, evading and safe keeping of your fleet is half of fleet skills, and I learned it. And, then when i knew i was good to I started fleeting raiding and used to do 100-120 raids a night till i pass out. Boy i did love that time growth was awesome.

And sure i got hit big a few times, no regrets on any of them cause i knew only one of them was for my mistakes, a Ninja on my by Skirmish (lost my precious 5000 BCs). But ppl i am still here and i am sure who are regular at the top 100 has similar stories like that to tell.

Why i am sharing this, cause I, SPY, is still playing this game. If bunch of starters who are too lazy to go throw the forum to pick up the game, or do a little research or learn it from an alliance mate. Dedicated player is what ze needs not some ppl who are just trying out mmorpg.

Raids on us is a test for us to pass that, and ze is a rough world the extreme server says it for itself.

ok there i have said alot of things hope i did not bored u much.