Pulsar wrote:You're missing the part where Gozar threatened to get FleetHound banned for not returning the deut. That's ridiculous. If someone makes a stupid mistake at their opponent's benefit, their opponent should not be expected to refund them.

Where in this PM have I threaten FH... In fact I made it clear I did not want that to happen...

My PM to FH..and I am giving myself permission to post this..not anyone else unless they do like wise..

FleetHound [x:xx:x] No subject
Your fleet is no longer on the scoreboard.. so you have been or are online... your fleet returned and you have not returned the deut you received in error.. by keeping what you should have returned as you agreed only 48hrs ago... I can only think you have no intention in doing so... You leave me no choice but to put this in the hands of ZE admin... I have kept your PM's and the ones I sent you. In truth I would not like seeing you banned, but if that is the out come I am sorry but you would have brought this on yourself. You know the game rules regarding milking... some years past a few players tried to get me banned this way...They would not recall their transport mission when requested... So I simply sent the resources they had sent me back... to stay within the game rules... As ZE told me at the time any resources that are not a trade or with in the boosting rule is classed as milking. I am sorry you adopted this action.


If that rule applied then it applies NOW... for goodness sake why make a mountain out of a mole hill...over a simple mistake.

Where is 100M deut within the rules? *Once within a 24 hour period, any player may send the equivalent of 1 hour of production of each planet to any other player as long as they are in the same alliance.
*Moonshots, DF collection and Mercenary payments are considered as Trading.

Where does it state Finders fee anywhere within those word? It does not, unless I can't read. Yes, the mistake was made and said milking shipment was sent to the wrong member. I told Fleethound to hold the resources until this whole mess is sorted out by ZE admin. I then informed ZE admin of the rule violation.

The rule clearly states:

6. You must not MILK
Every account must be played to its own full benefit. Anything contradicting this is considered MILKING. Any accounts involved in a milking case will be banned permanently game wide (all accounts in all universes).

100M deut seems to be excessive and since no resources were sent to Ahriman account, seems to be milking and will be decided by ZE admin.

Then zorg admin involved now I think everyone stop posting zorg likes to keep those things by private messages not on open forum

I would agree with you mickey, but I am not the creator of this post.

Ok, in my opinion, at this point, everyone here is being totally ridiculous.

Finder's fees have always been allowed. Returning some DF have always been allowed, etc... The main milking rule is simply "Every account must be played to its own full benefit." The sub rules are intended to ensure that this occurs.

By the same token, if a mistake is made and you accidentally transport resources to your opponent, your opponent is not milking by failing to return the resources... Now that's just amusing. They shouldn't be expected to return the resources any more than they should if they had ninja-ed you or stolen your DF.

Everyone STOP accusing everyone else of milking, please! This discussion doesn't even belong in the forums, to be honest...

MegaMedes wrote:Where is 100M deut within the rules? *Once within a 24 hour period, any player may send the equivalent of 1 hour of production of each planet to any other player as long as they are in the same alliance.
*Moonshots, DF collection and Mercenary payments are considered as Trading.

Where does it state Finders fee anywhere within those word? It does not, unless I can't read. Yes, the mistake was made and said milking shipment was sent to the wrong member. I told Fleethound to hold the resources until this whole mess is sorted out by ZE admin. I then informed ZE admin of the rule violation.

The rule clearly states:

6. You must not MILK
Every account must be played to its own full benefit. Anything contradicting this is considered MILKING. Any accounts involved in a milking case will be banned permanently game wide (all accounts in all universes).

100M deut seems to be excessive and since no resources were sent to Ahriman account, seems to be milking and will be decided by ZE admin.

Do I have your permission to post your message to me in Extreme Mega? Also, do your homework and find out the facts behind that 100 million deut.....was it a trade...was it a finders fee...was it both......if you can't answer any of that then stop sending me your drivel with threats of bans.....and yet again accusations here "Yes, the mistake was made and said milking shipment was sent ...." It wasn't milking!...stick to facts....Rules are simple...if you suspect someone of cheating (milking etc) go through proper channels!Ftr I posted this publicly because I am blocked in game by Mega....and I wanted everyone to know the truth. So I want this post left open....thanks

And if I could block you here I would Karl. Tell me you never messaged me in game with the same threats and I will call you a liar. And no, you will never have my permission to post anything I say to in game. If you don't want me to talk you, then block me as I have you.

First of all; Do NOT post PMs you received without the consent of the player who sent it. If you have posted such message remove it. The rest of the players, do NOT take for granted that a PM posted here is truth. They might be forged. Remember, do not even believe screenshots as it is easy to forge a message there too.

mickylove wrote:Then zorg admin involved now I think everyone stop posting zorg likes to keep those things by private messages not on open forum

He speaks the truth.

However, we are in Union of Honor and this is not hitting administration. Instead, it is a clash between players. So fire on. No problem.

If we close the topic, we will also miss the opportunity to explain our policy on the issue. A policy that has been created (ironically) to strip resources from Gozar(Ahriman) at a similar case before.

You will understand more if you read the message we sent to Fleethound:

Administration wrote: Greetings,

As administration we cannot recognize "mistakes" in transports. If we did, we would not be able to administrate them.

For the record, the user Ahriman has received a transport by mistake in the past and he was forced to return it. This is a standard policy.

So you are requested to do the same. You must return everything you received.

-Keep up to 1% as a payment fee for you.
-Keep all your deuterium costs.
-Any fleet crashing of your dispatch fleet will be reversed.

We can do it ourselves, obviously but we feel that is better that you do it. Hence the 1% fee in your favor.

Have a nice day,
ZE administration

It's actually the second time this has happened, so its not a big deal for us.

Now, I find it very disturbing that veteran players of the game try to get one another banned. That's cheap. We need no nurturing either, we know better than you how to penalize anything.

It is also very irritating that players think they can corner administration. Gozar for example thinks that just because we removed the resources from him that first time, we would do the same again. No, you can take nothing for granted. Every case is different. We might have decided to recover this mistake this time but next time we might not.

Gozar has the #1 account in X-TREME by far. If he has been "PULLING" Sprog at this moment or in recent time, this is something we are investigating and we will find out. Certainly, if this is happening, then it will be penalized. No one would want to see Gozar pulling any account. This is an unfair advantage in my eyes. Like i said, this possibility is under investigation.


Finally, I will quote Pulsar who said it all...

Pulsar wrote: The main milking rule is simply "Every account must be played to its own full benefit." The sub rules are intended to ensure that this occurs.

The faster you realize this simple thing, the better.

MegaMedes wrote:And if I could block you here I would Karl. Tell me you never messaged me in game with the same threats and I will call you a liar. And no, you will never have my permission to post anything I say to in game. If you don't want me to talk you, then block me as I have you.

Lol grow up.....Anyone who wants to see the message then please pm me in game....a few have asked and seen already...no secrets here ....nothing was added or taken away.....I sent your message out as soon as I got it......I asked for your permission to post your message from YOUR account in X Mega... I have not actually quoted anyone ....but if you allow I will post your exact message to me in game....your call....I have nothing to hide and as Zorg stated above they can and will check all transports/trades etc between Mark and myself....you also forget one important thing......I never received a thing....Fleethound did...so what exactly did I do wrong even if my intention was to gain illegally ....and that clearly was never my intention lol

I think that how with fleet for example, you send it on a bad fs and get crashed, you deserve it.... same thing here... you sent it to the wrong person now deal with the consequences.