Zorg wrote:

Destructi0n wrote:Since it was done conveniently and fully aware of those rules, one would think that said rules will be enforced, it does not state time limit or 24 hours wait process. Or did I oversaw that part?

Which rule exactly is not kept here, dear troll?

Who's trolling now?

It says rule #1 what are the consequences of such actions, that being said it is also defined that ALL involving fleet will be sanctioned, therefore if medal was sanctioned as rule violation not as result of rule enforcement then all involving fleet should fall under such penalty.

That's just how rules are interpreted, I'm not here to troll. I'm out.

First of all, I say troll because you created a new account just to post in this topic. Except if you forgot you already have an account here which could be the case as your other account has only 1 post. However, that other account's sole post is again on a topic about Gozar where you comment against him, implying that he cheats etc.

Secondly, even if the account was not a trolling one, what you posted is the very definition of trolling. Normally, I should have deleted your post contents and redirect you to administration for your report. The only reason I am replying, is because I believe that there are other people also interested on this discussion.

Now that I explained why I called you a troll, let's return to the off-topic discussion we have here.

You clearly have not read the rule carefully. The retirement rule, allows players to "donate" their fleets to other players. Something that is normally not permitted by regular rules as it falls into milking. It is perfectly described here, in the link I gave 2 posts earlier:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10406

Now, this hit is a TRUE retirement hit, NO ONE can deny this. Therefore medal, has the right to "donate" his fleet.
However, he must pay the "price" which is to lose his account, this is to ENSURE that his is a true retirement. Or else, for example, he might return to play one month later and resume his account. This would seem as milking. Now, he can return one month later and start a new account as the "price" is paid. This is the most fair solution that we AND the playerbase found to this issue, a long time ago. You can find the relative topic somewhere in the forums, I am sure.

On to Gozar now; He can receive the "donation" with no problem. The only that he has to do, is to INFORM administration.

Administration MUST be informed because we ALWAYS need to check if the RETIREMENT is TRUE.
To CHECK medal's history to see if it is owned by a player that his playing style is to create accounts and then "retire" them.
To CHECK if medal has more accounts.
To CHECK if medal was not really retiring but trying to BOOST Gozar. Either if this was a plan upfront or something that came up.

If any of these checks fail, then there can be penalties up to banning all involved accounts. The up to all involving accounts refer to various sick cases that might rise up, like to trap one or more accounts (like one or more recipients).

So Gozar, would be penalized in the cases that:
-He kept that hit private and administration found out alone (or failed to email administration - something that you have not thought if it happened already for example)
-Medal account proves unclean and Gozar was aware of that.

However, in the case of an unclean account, even if the recipient is unaware, there will still be penalties, like striping all earnings.

Of course, the procedure is the same for everyone and every retirement hit. It has happened already many times.

If you or anyone else has questions, here is your chance to do it.

hmmm... so it looks like leaving ones fleet down counts the same as smashing your fleet into another player? would it still be the case if the fleet was sent out for some amount of time and came back later to be hit, assuming nobody else has been informed of the location, time, etc. (which might be very, very similar to someone going inactive on their own)...?

ach wrote:hmmm... so it looks like leaving ones fleet down counts the same as smashing your fleet into another player? would it still be the case if the fleet was sent out for some amount of time and came back later to be hit, assuming nobody else has been informed of the location, time, etc. (which might be very, very similar to someone going inactive on their own)...?

You got to understand that the Retirement Rule is the exception to the milking rule. The owner, decides to crash his fleet... this means that the account is not played up to its full benefit. This is not allowed. This is why players need the retirement rule.

Now, what you describe seems like you are seeking a way to crash your fleet without losing the account. I will simply say that this alone seems to fall on MILKING rule as you are not playing the account at full benefit and you are not retiring. However, we do check a lot of other variables, in suspicious cases like the hypothetical one at hand, before we decide if we will penalize and how the accounts involved. Usually penalties are account ban because if you are caught doing it once, we assume you have been doing it for a long time.

This is why you need administration eventually. To check for you all these tricks that some guys think in order to cheat. All you have to do, is to report a suspicious hit. It is easy to locate it yourselves after all and truth is that we get reports from players regarding suspicious hits.

Retirement should be for the sake of quitting alone.

If you are worried about milking then pushing is the other way around of it as well. At retirement the player is allowed to push res to the attacker without any viable options. anyways no matter how this can be looked to my personal view this is not right.

About medal. Great player. A lot of enthusiasm. Loads of guts and ideas. Good times as long as we could play. Hope you will find other entertainment else where wherever that is.

And everything said helps gozar in some way. Weird? Maybe?

Sorry to see you leave the game Paul. Believe me, I know there are reasons to leave at some point.

Hope you drop in now and again to see how things are going. Good luck in RL.

To all the wonderful players out there I have enjoyed my time playing the game, there are many names and I wont go in to naming them to keep things brief and not cause offense at a temporary memory lapse. I think it safe to say you know who you are.


As for the account Zorg I really dont care what you do with it. To those griping I had intended the account to be a decent farm for you and any new players.. Your whining shoots yourself in the foot. Good job on that.

To those who say it was outside of the rules I point out, as was mentioned Crazy's account. Rules and interpretations thereof are guided by precedent. Correct the precedent if you want but you cannot punish someone for interpreting what the spirit of the rule is based upon your application of said rule in previous cases.

Lastly to all the friends in game I wish you the best, both in game and in real life.

never played with you myself medal, but it's sad to see a goo dplayer go

Zorg wrote:

ach wrote:hmmm... so it looks like leaving ones fleet down counts the same as smashing your fleet into another player? would it still be the case if the fleet was sent out for some amount of time and came back later to be hit, assuming nobody else has been informed of the location, time, etc. (which might be very, very similar to someone going inactive on their own)...?

You got to understand that the Retirement Rule is the exception to the milking rule. The owner, decides to crash his fleet... this means that the account is not played up to its full benefit. This is not allowed. This is why players need the retirement rule.

Now, what you describe seems like you are seeking a way to crash your fleet without losing the account. I will simply say that this alone seems to fall on MILKING rule as you are not playing the account at full benefit and you are not retiring. However, we do check a lot of other variables, in suspicious cases like the hypothetical one at hand, before we decide if we will penalize and how the accounts involved. Usually penalties are account ban because if you are caught doing it once, we assume you have been doing it for a long time.

This is why you need administration eventually. To check for you all these tricks that some guys think in order to cheat. All you have to do, is to report a suspicious hit. It is easy to locate it yourselves after all and truth is that we get reports from players regarding suspicious hits.

I wanted to check just to be sure lol

im probably one of the few people for whom crashing myself on anyone would not significantly change anything... it would be better if I went entirely inactive instead as a farm :/