Yes, Corey aka lordshadow aka doomranger aka queen noob is the slime of zorg empires. He made this attack like you said for profit, and to get #1 attacker....little did he know IM-A-FARM had a half billion TD hit land 2 minutes before the close of the week, so he enjoyed #2 attacker lol.
Was it worth it Corey?
This noob has cheated this game every single way his peanut brain could think of....why he doesn't have a permanent lifetime ban is beyond me.
And for the record, the fact he kept half the DF from this attack absolutely constitutes milking, and I'd sure like a judgement from zorg on this.
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#22Thats like saying any hit you do and keeping any of the profit is milking lmao. It's funny what you will consider milking.
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#23Here is what I am discussing:
6. You must not MILK
Every account must be played to its own full benefit. Anything contradicting this is considered MILKING. Any accounts involved in a milking case will be banned permanently game wide (all accounts in all universes).
*No player may knowingly send resources to any player unless it is done during a trade in accordance with the Trade Ratios posted on the forums (Trading).
*Once within a 24 hour period, any player may send the equivalent of 1 hour of production of each planet to any other player as long as they are in the same alliance.
*Moonshots, DF collection and Mercenary payments are considered as Trading.
Sending half of the DF back to the player violates this rule, in as much as no one, including myself, makes that much in one hour.
6. You must not MILK
Every account must be played to its own full benefit. Anything contradicting this is considered MILKING. Any accounts involved in a milking case will be banned permanently game wide (all accounts in all universes).
*No player may knowingly send resources to any player unless it is done during a trade in accordance with the Trade Ratios posted on the forums (Trading).
*Once within a 24 hour period, any player may send the equivalent of 1 hour of production of each planet to any other player as long as they are in the same alliance.
*Moonshots, DF collection and Mercenary payments are considered as Trading.
Sending half of the DF back to the player violates this rule, in as much as no one, including myself, makes that much in one hour.
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Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#24Before replying ON accusations:
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First appearance of milking, was with this form:
Milking is a form of cheating. It is the intentional movement of resources between two consenting parties.
Then, we updated the rule, with this:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8603
Then we added the CURRENT magical base:
Every account must be played to its own full benefit.
Further explanation given:
viewtopic.php?p=102628#p102628
To facilitate retirement crashes, we ended up in this revision that however has not made the main servers:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10406
There are many other issues relevant to the milking rule that are not even mentioned in the milking rule. Over the years the players have invented many ways to TRADE with each other. Such TRADES are acceptable as long as it is clear that they are trades.
So a quick attempt to redefine it all and in a good manner:
-If you try to cheat with another account or player, you are doomed.
In the current event:
There is one player benefiting from this action and this is LordShadow. If FULL DF was returned to Ptolemy, there would be no reason to even investigate this issue even if this is nowhere mentioned in the milking rule. It should not sound bizzare either; we are always checking the possible cheat not an action that has nothing to do with cheat.
To make it clear, where would the cheat be if ALL DF was returned to Ptolemy? Only in the scoreboard/medal taint. These are roleplaying elements and the player-base is enough to condemn such practices and ridicule the violators. Normally, we do not bother much with them although we are interested to actively limit such cases. This however, is not such a case in our way of approach and I will elaborate why below.
In this case only half DF was returned. So there is room for cheat here in favor of the attacker who won a hefty sum of resources.
This has been investigated and our verdict is that this has to be considered as a HOSTILE ACT. The defending player never consented in it.
If you oversee the whole issue from a diplomatic aspect, it was a great way for LordShadow to gain this hefty sum without having to enter a war or friction perhaps. He crashed the fleet, earned the profit and then he returned half the DF to ease the spirits. This is how administration approaches the event. There is no milking here.
However the story does not end here. In our thinking, this topic has harmed LordShadow more than his tactic earned him. He may have earned a few hundreds of millions but he lost on fame and diplomatic area. This is not entirely his blame (if you adopt our approach that is) but more than the side-affect of this topic and the ASSUMPTIONS that have been made mainly by harryballsac above. Should these remarks have been exempted, as they should, he may have enjoyed more success.
For this reason this is the final time I issue a warning for bringing cheating suspicions into public. The next time we will start with a forum ban spanning from 1 to 3 months; you got a cheating concern; the only way is to send us an email. It is fully detailed here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3962
NO MORE DISCUSSION HERE OR IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC PLACE IS ALLOWED FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER CHEATING SUSPICION. EXHAUST YOUR CONCERNS IN PRIVATE.
Apologies for any grammar/typos, this was a rush typing.
Topic will not be locked. Feel free to continue your usual dirt throwing without any accusations of cheating.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
First appearance of milking, was with this form:
Milking is a form of cheating. It is the intentional movement of resources between two consenting parties.
Then, we updated the rule, with this:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8603
Then we added the CURRENT magical base:
Every account must be played to its own full benefit.
Further explanation given:
viewtopic.php?p=102628#p102628
To facilitate retirement crashes, we ended up in this revision that however has not made the main servers:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10406
There are many other issues relevant to the milking rule that are not even mentioned in the milking rule. Over the years the players have invented many ways to TRADE with each other. Such TRADES are acceptable as long as it is clear that they are trades.
So a quick attempt to redefine it all and in a good manner:
-If you try to cheat with another account or player, you are doomed.
In the current event:
There is one player benefiting from this action and this is LordShadow. If FULL DF was returned to Ptolemy, there would be no reason to even investigate this issue even if this is nowhere mentioned in the milking rule. It should not sound bizzare either; we are always checking the possible cheat not an action that has nothing to do with cheat.
To make it clear, where would the cheat be if ALL DF was returned to Ptolemy? Only in the scoreboard/medal taint. These are roleplaying elements and the player-base is enough to condemn such practices and ridicule the violators. Normally, we do not bother much with them although we are interested to actively limit such cases. This however, is not such a case in our way of approach and I will elaborate why below.
In this case only half DF was returned. So there is room for cheat here in favor of the attacker who won a hefty sum of resources.
This has been investigated and our verdict is that this has to be considered as a HOSTILE ACT. The defending player never consented in it.
If you oversee the whole issue from a diplomatic aspect, it was a great way for LordShadow to gain this hefty sum without having to enter a war or friction perhaps. He crashed the fleet, earned the profit and then he returned half the DF to ease the spirits. This is how administration approaches the event. There is no milking here.
However the story does not end here. In our thinking, this topic has harmed LordShadow more than his tactic earned him. He may have earned a few hundreds of millions but he lost on fame and diplomatic area. This is not entirely his blame (if you adopt our approach that is) but more than the side-affect of this topic and the ASSUMPTIONS that have been made mainly by harryballsac above. Should these remarks have been exempted, as they should, he may have enjoyed more success.
For this reason this is the final time I issue a warning for bringing cheating suspicions into public. The next time we will start with a forum ban spanning from 1 to 3 months; you got a cheating concern; the only way is to send us an email. It is fully detailed here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3962
NO MORE DISCUSSION HERE OR IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC PLACE IS ALLOWED FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER CHEATING SUSPICION. EXHAUST YOUR CONCERNS IN PRIVATE.
Apologies for any grammar/typos, this was a rush typing.
Topic will not be locked. Feel free to continue your usual dirt throwing without any accusations of cheating.
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#26thankyou for clearing that up
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#27I still think it stinks, but i feel honored to be mentioned with such high regard LOL
the cheating debate has been settled, but I hope the whole universe has learned a valuable lesson in trusting, or consorting with lordshadow.
the cheating debate has been settled, but I hope the whole universe has learned a valuable lesson in trusting, or consorting with lordshadow.
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#29Any one who joins an aggressive alliance would need to think VERY CAREFULLY.. 10 mins late and your fleet is goneharryballsac wrote: the cheating debate has been settled, but I hope the whole universe has learned a valuable lesson in trusting, This has been investigated and our verdict is that this has to be considered as a HOSTILE ACT. The defending player never consented in it..
IMHO they have an unfair advantage as they can tell 100% if the alliance members are online or not..,
same for alliances .. New members will need to be WATCHED very carefully
flame hat is ON
Re: LordShadow VS Ptolemy [2.585.632.300]
#30im am not an ogar the rule is only enforced if fleet is left for hours ... the way i see it is why feed the enemy over something that is the main rule for being a fleeter and we do not hide this rule from anyone and we ony accept experianced fleetersPovo wrote:Any one who joins an aggressive alliance would need to think VERY CAREFULLY.. 10 mins late and your fleet is goneharryballsac wrote: the cheating debate has been settled, but I hope the whole universe has learned a valuable lesson in trusting, This has been investigated and our verdict is that this has to be considered as a HOSTILE ACT. The defending player never consented in it..
IMHO they have an unfair advantage as they can tell 100% if the alliance members are online or not..,
same for alliances .. New members will need to be WATCHED very carefully
flame hat is ON