Ok, I have to say something again. First of all,

Walshy wrote:I personally know id never get hit by my boyz...

Anyone wanna archive that for when Gozar turns on Fish?

But seriously, Fish said himself that all of our alliances are different. WE, the rest of the ZE community, don't butcher our members just because we don't like them. Also, as I recall, Cypher was given his account AFTER you LEFT I.B. and BUTCHERED GWD, so the account wasn't really under your custody anymore and was just another inactive account out there, to be given by RJ. It seems you had plenty of accounts to spare anyway seeing as you've already hooked up Torgard.

Anyway, I'll get around to posting my final thoughts when I'm done interviewing everyone. Oh, and Gozar, the threads aren't really merged yet, so stop spazzing out.

yes please save fish's quote there for a couple months. once he becomes a "threat" it doesnt matter who his boyz are, he will be taken down just like the rest. finally gozar at least admitted that, but not before all the lame excuses and reasonings which were really just smokescreen to cover the real reasons. at least if he had come on here and from the start left all the garbage about cheating all the other crap out of it and said "yes, he was getting too big, so we decided to take his fleet" hell this whole thread would be about a tenth the size and most of us would at least respected the decision. im sure there are plenty of cheaters here, but i cant believe any of the top players are as such, and especially rj. so drop the paranoia crap and let zorg worry about that.

congrats on finally manning up gozar and on the hit, its just a shame you had to do it in such a disrespectful and downright dishonest way. id be lying if i said i dont hope to see a screen shot of your planets all with red df tho.

You people need to read more history. Gozar is acting exactly like Germany in the mid-late 1930s. He has just made a series of power plays to put any and all seen threats to his domination within his grasp. What we've seen here is a Nazi-style backstabbing, followed by a propoganda sh*tstorm by both sides. If either side had any proof, somebody would already be on the banlist. Also, for all you Apocalypse members who feel that Gozar will never turn on you, remember history. Who did the Germans invade in 1940? Poland and France, Even though France was Germany's biggest trade partner. Who did they invade the next year? The very country they promised not to attack. Think about it. Who probably knows the empires within Apocalypse best? Probably Gozar. Therefore, who has the best chance of destroying these empires? Probably Gozar. Who would gain? Gozar.

Also, I'd like to point out something about Rj's supposed cheating. If he was cheating, would he be so obvious as to use the same IP adress for both accounts? I think not. Also, if one of Zorg's best had a second account, couldn't we expect this account to have a meteoric rise?

Watch your backs, Apocalypse. As with Anschluss and the Munich Conference, this isn the beginning of something much more dangerous.

Okay fish well you know I love you but I love playing devils advocate more...

People normally side with the victim... Really? Maybe in real life criminal cases, but every time someone seems to be a cheater, the whole community freaks out about it. Also, a lot of the cheating accusations come from ~V~ and so on. Maybe there is a common factor there? And if you are right about cheating, that lessens you guys in my eyes. Honestly, the fact that there were alliance members cheating and you didn't report it until after there was a conflict makes me suspicious of all of you. Knowing how much effort I put into a good strategy to work my way up the ranks to be beaten only by a group of people all calling each other cheats makes you guys all at fault in my eyes.

Edit-Also, I don't think anyone has talked about the sheer magnitude of this hit. That is 19 million points of destruction...HOLY S***. Of course some of it will be regenerated defense but still.

Edit-Also, I don't think anyone has talked about the sheer magnitude of this hit. That is 19 million points of destruction...HOLY S***. Of course some of it will be regenerated defense but still.

and by some we are talking 600 rocket launchers, 2412 Light Lasers, 70 Ion cannons, and 1 of each dome.

After I read Pk's topic and saw the CR, all i could say was WOW.
Massive numbers, and a dramatic story behind it.
Since I don't know all the details, I won't chose sides and neither should anyone else. This is something between Gozar, Destruction and the admins if there was a case of cheating.

I will say one thing though. The fact you kicked him out of the alliance says nothing Mark because it was still low from you to wait for him to go offline.
When I was giving you my account, I thought more of you (you seemed like a nice guy and since I knew you all the way from NEMESIS I knew you were a promising player), but after this I really don't know what to think anymore.
I'm sure you're still a nice guy in RL, but this mess you made only gives the alliance that was once great and awesome, and people looked up to its members, a really bad reputation. You should know better.
I'm glad you changed the account and the alliance name so no one will remember klizac or ~V~ doing something like this.

Anyway, back to topic.

Congratz on the new nr1, you finally removed the SOC-vs-Istalris battle from top 10 after almost 2 years.

And to Rob, Glotr if you decide to rebuild, or if not, good luck on other servers

This hit is just like gump and Pkromm, RJ was taken out because Gozar was scared, and bored. They always preach how they always like a challenge etc blah blah... why do something drastic like this instead of trying to 'hunt' him down top dog?

Just a reflection of real life character IMO. have fun petting your cat it's all you got Gozar

Negotiator wrote:This hit is just like gump and Pkromm, RJ was taken out because Gozar was scared, and bored. They always preach how they always like a challenge etc blah blah... why do something drastic like this instead of trying to 'hunt' him down top dog?

Just a reflection of real life character IMO. have fun petting your cat it's all you got Gozar

He actually has his alliance mates. We will always stand by him.

Now i suppose these posts have given us good reflection of what wars to have ay. All fun ay.

ofc you want war now. now that u do not have any formidable opponents dude.

tell me once that u lot have gone up against 1 single opponent without prior assimilation of possible ally of that target alliance. it is a simple war strategy and a good one to be invulnerable.

what really shouts out in all this is the clan that u have represented in last 2 years have always been first to say that every player in game and on forum must show a considerable sportsmanship. hell you lot even cried ridiculed and then bashed down the players for not showing proper conduct (by pm only not game play) where as in the considered two hits you lot totally abbused the name of sportsmanship.

so admittedly you two have been on and on around the forum about being justified but clearly havent shown a single bit of the so essential sportsmanship all around.

as pup and a few others said stop saying stuffs that makes ur Hippocratic nature more solid that your igns and clans names are becoming by words for Hippocratic-backstabbing-disloyal. i hope you start working your image changing scheme the same ruse u player pro-dex era when everyone in game have found about how you lot have operated and then u had to say sorry and then go on to mix with more untainted individuals to make your names untainted.

i am sure u will start talking boisterous and pompous claims about ur superiority... i would take the chance to congratulate you for being superior in war fare and deceit and tactics both approved and unapproved.

just do not ask if i respect you. which clearly u have lost and anyone who agrees with the heinous act that you played in the name of teaching someone.

PS: just wanted to add as long as rj and GWD were willing conspirator along with you lot it was ok for GWD to farm on niso's account for rj to do what ever alleged cheating he was doing. the moment he is a possible opponent u start messing with his reputation in game and all.

to tell you the truth look at ur flank and ask ur fellow mates if they have any auto-bots for mapping. which is illigal in ze. but i am not directly accusing on here but i will not be surprised if in later time someone in ur group you will find of cheating by operating an auto-bot. i hope you will take off the edge and draw a line to where u find things wrong and where it isnt. clearly as long as they are with u being ur ally you find them washed off by purity beyond.

SPY wrote: PS: just wanted to add as long as rj and GWD were willing conspirator along with you lot it was ok for GWD to farm on niso's account for rj to do what ever alleged cheating he was doing. the moment he is a possible opponent u start messing with his reputation in game and all.

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We didnt know about GWD untill afterwards actually and never had any idea.