Gozar, to be honest here I can't see why you are continuing to talk about the reasons etc. since it just seems to be getting more and more negative response. and I'm going to have to agree with whoever it was that basically said let your alliance mates speak for themselves.

and rj only really mods up when there is banning or kicking to be done from what i've seen. and let me tell you that IP tracing isn't always accurate, especially if the person puts on a proxy, so even if rj did do that then in my opinion it's wrong but there are worse things that one can do with an IP address (sorry, that was my inner computer geek). Not only that, but if players actually learn to fleet save while they are still in protection, they can avoid getting crashed even if their IP is traced to get their general online times.

All in all, i honestly don't see a point in further fuss over the hit. What's done is done, it's a bloody war game and you were just playing the game the way you wanted to Gozar, and RJ just happened to be your target. I do feel sorry for Rj but then again I have just seen too many people flip out over a game. Heck i'm not immune to it, I get frustrated with ZE every now and then.

SPY wrote:

Gozar wrote: metal loss= 21 billion collected 32.6= 11.6 in the +
cryst loss=11.8 Billion collected 20.8= 9 in the +
Deut loss = 5.2 Billion. big fat zero..lol
net 20.6 billion less duet
work out either 7 billion metal or 3.5 billion crystal is the net profit

so you just wanted to make a profit of that hit. hmmmm why start with all that conspiracy and stuffs like that?

I think this is how u handle what u found out about.
Got a Problem with a Mod?

i have already had a convo with ur savior of loneliness fish about the issues with finding a cheater and dealing with him.

u just wanted a profit and eliminate threat. why cant u be a bigger man and admit hey i found him threatening my empire so i took him down. you would have found that all of the bickering and shouting and belaying u down on this thread would have gone to a totally different direction.

but no... u just wanted to make a dent on a fellow mate. this has happened way back in the days when dex used to play. you lot got on and started calling him a cheater. at that time Fishpond u didnt have the balls to go up against him alone so u roused the hounds and let them loose on him. all things that happened u couldnt even come up with a single proof about him cheating and we all knew it was all about making him go down cause he was starting to build an empire to match urs.

history is repeating itself just a shame its not a good one. dont justify ur wrongs. do the right thing and then let the players know that hey i have managed it so.

SHAME ON YOU!!!

No SPY again you have the uncanny ability to twist a post. I showed the figures because RJ stated it was a negative hit. but, that is not the point yet again. but one point you raised is true. RJ came into our ranks and was one of us for so long. He betrayed his alliance because as already stated power corrupts. He wanted to be #1 in all 3 Zorg Universe. He tore our empire apart. And yes he was a threat if he had given that account away out side the alliance. I removed that threat the same way PK hit one of his players who had left his fleet down for to long. Funny how that was justified. But again to be honest what goes on in house is in house. This is what has happened here I cleaned house. I stated from the start there were many issues involved. But to sum it up forgetting all other reasons then yes I was protecting my own. RJ is in fact still further in front than when he came to this alliance with no fleet at that time either. I no longer give a harryballsac what anyone else says those that matter to me know the truth. The rest of you have already made up your minds. END OF.INDEX.

Just an idea. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7719

Gozar wrote:I removed that threat the same way PK hit one of his players who had left his fleet down for to long. Funny how that was justified.

you just did not compare with what happened in ezt with this!!!

First of all the reason why Tiny's fleet was crashed was to give him an wake up call at the earliest state of his fleeting career. it followed a careful steps of consideration before tiny's fleet was crashed.

we have waiting for considerable amount of time for him to get online. sever messages were sent to him with proper reasoning that we made sure he would agree with. then pk launched. more over the df that was gathered off his fleet was given to him in a periodic manner for him to grow and be able to bash through a defense which signifies that he was able to build a fleet that would go through it. none was kept for personal uses. as like our leaders in ezt we value each and every one of our fleet as our own and we are proud if someones fleet grows bigger than ours. also its in the alliance rules. and we already spoken why it was posted on forum. consider it as a constructive criticism in house. and look tiny is still with us and he is still proud to wear the tag of EZT.

you lot have questioned about honer at around then and now gozar, u just tried to place yourself in the same rank as pk. i am just viewing my own opinion and trying to defend ezt. that action was an alliance action. what u might think of pk personally, i am sure he is capable of defending himself very well. what you did for personal favor is just cannot be argued as just.

just to add to what u said u admittedly said that it was to take down a possible competition. so once again why all the fuzz? just say u wont take anyone to be a threat around u regardless he/she is in ur alliance.

I would like to know why the CR of this hit that I posted separately from PK's post has been mixed. they were 2 different threads. My CR Should not be posted in this thread that is not right. PK is not the Author of my CR.
please correct this issue.This was not even the tittle of PK thread.

Gozar wrote:I would like to know why the CR of this hit that I posted separately from PK's post has been mixed. they were 2 different threads. My CR Should not be posted in this thread that is not right. PK is not the Author of my CR.
please correct this issue.This was not even the tittle of PK thread.

because both posts are discussing the same thing...things said in one post are being quoted here already...they are one and the same in content of the discussion...that would be my assumption on why they were merged...

SPY wrote:

Gozar wrote:I removed that threat the same way PK hit one of his players who had left his fleet down for to long. Funny how that was justified.

you just did not compare with what happened in ezt with this!!!

First of all the reason why Tiny's fleet was crashed was to give him an wake up call at the earliest state of his fleeting career. it followed a careful steps of consideration before tiny's fleet was crashed.

we have waiting for considerable amount of time for him to get online. sever messages were sent to him with proper reasoning that we made sure he would agree with. then pk launched. more over the df that was gathered off his fleet was given to him in a periodic manner for him to grow and be able to bash through a defense which signifies that he was able to build a fleet that would go through it. none was kept for personal uses. as like our leaders in ezt we value each and every one of our fleet as our own and we are proud if someones fleet grows bigger than ours. also its in the alliance rules. and we already spoken why it was posted on forum. consider it as a constructive criticism in house. and look tiny is still with us and he is still proud to wear the tag of EZT.

you lot have questioned about honer at around then and now gozar, u just tried to place yourself in the same rank as pk. i am just viewing my own opinion and trying to defend ezt. that action was an alliance action. what u might think of pk personally, i am sure he is capable of defending himself very well. what you did for personal favor is just cannot be argued as just.

just to add to what u said u admittedly said that it was to take down a possible competition. so once again why all the fuzz? just say u wont take anyone to be a threat around u regardless he/she is in ur alliance.

Spy this is perfect. What your alliance does and what our alliance does are completley different. So we dont post abuse about what you do (although from an outside opinion looks wrong), just like you should understand ours was also just about politics.

You hit your guy because you felt someone else might have his fleet! We felt the same, but obviously we had alot more against our own guy which we have explained. Yours was just a panic bash to protect yourselves. Had your guy been as big as Rob you would have still of hit him so is there any real difference????

The main reason behind what we did wasnt because of just that and you have seen our reasons and its upto you to believe it or not but enough players have supported the arguments and have backed our statements and our team mates were behind us and still are.

As Gozar said every alliance works differently we have personal friendships and unfortunatley Rob went against that and his greed more than anything was his biggest downfall.

Let me start by saying that I only read the 1st page and haven't played for a few months so I may be missing something.

Well this does not surprise me at all honestly. How long have I been saying ~V~ and followers only care about power? Unfortunately that applies even to most who I used to consider friends. So honestly, I think rj had it coming by trusting gozar anyway. And baiting someone to attack so he could defend, well props to you rj for thinking of that. I see nothing wrong with that. Gozar doesn't care about the ethics behind that. We have all seen him and most of his alliance play dirty...and go way worse than that.

...And as for cheating, well every fleeter splits DFs and every big player helps noobs. That really isn't cheating, so why even bring it up? With the other types of cheating, well it seems every enemy of you guys is a cheater. While no one knows, making this conversation kinda pointless anyway, I would choose to believe Rj.

Thatguyeric wrote:I would choose to believe Rj.

Normally a victim is always believed. But doesnt always been they are the truthful one. We know Rob better than any of you, whatever you might think and whats done is done now.

You all have your own opinions and we accept that you do, thats part and parcel of life i suppose. There will be a section who believe it was right and a section who will think it was wrong.

I personally know id never get hit by my boyz, but i still always fleet save as its part of the game. That is a lesson in itself to anyone who carrys a fleet.

Walshy wrote:

Thatguyeric wrote:I would choose to believe Rj.

Normally a victim is always believed. But doesnt always been they are the truthful one. We know Rob better than any of you, whatever you might think and whats done is done now.

You all have your own opinions and we accept that you do, thats part and parcel of life i suppose. There will be a section who believe it was right and a section who will think it was wrong.

I personally know id never get hit by my boyz, but i still always fleet save as its part of the game. That is a lesson in itself to anyone who carrys a fleet.

+10 points to you, for being a voice of reason.