Re: Gozar[AZGD] vs Flapper[AZGD]~TD~29,090,608,800

#21
Rjsturgill wrote:
Gozar wrote:

you have not heard of ACS attack... there are 6 fleets out there (not in AZGD) of equal strength or near enough (3 of these fleets are in MOC) to Flappers... let a lone another 10 or 12 that are half way... if just 5 of them ACS attacked him Flapper the result would have been the same...
Well, I don't do anything on the forums anymore, but this was brought to my attention and I figured I would throw my two cents in...

First you guys haven't played a lot with acs attack I take it, as it is broken. Run the sims of a fleet, lets say 50k lunars 20k dessies, 35k recyclers and 20k LF's, and put it up against 200k lunars and see what kind of losses there is, roughly 35k lunars lost for the attacker...

Now take that same fleet and attack it with acs attack, using the same 200k lunars for one player and hell lets say you add 3 other players with 75k each. You will actually end up with the same losses as you would if you only used the original 200k.

This was brought up in the bugs section and we were told it's not correct, but it's 100% correct, feel free to PM me and I'll send you a CR of it.

Now back to the original point, things could have been dealt with better, and Flapper didn't need to lose 1/3 of his fleet. I can't take Gozars side or everyone elses here, because lets face it, I could give two **** about what goes on in Xtreme, I just wanted to show that the ACS attack argument is moot.
I would be interested in seeing this CR..

I ran the sim you stated... using equal.W.A.S.. for all... Single attacker loss were 12k LG.. then ran ACS attack a total of 7 times.. exactly as you sate... loss was 3k LG for attacker 1 with 200k LG and only 1200 LG for all other acs attacks each.. giving a result of the following..

Attacker Loss: 691.560.000 Defender Loss:8.785.000.000
winnings Metal:0 Crystal:0 Deuterium:0
Debris Metal:2.955.468.000 Crystal:2.730.468.000

I can not see a flaw.. here... the out come is slightly less as more ships are attacking...plus the losses are distributed equally among the attackers as it should be...so where is the bug...?
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Re: Gozar[AZGD] vs Flapper[AZGD]~TD~29,090,608,800

#23
In AZGD there are rulles about fleets down for a period of time.Fleet down , user off ==> fleet gets crushed . Sorry that happened to you Flapper.
Yes , anybody can talk about why Gozar did that . Better safe than sorry.
And yes , you get 60% back of your fleet , but you get 60% of CRYSTAL and METAL , no DEUT.
So that 60% is more 40-45% in actual fleet , so you don`t loose 1/3 , you loose 1/2 when you get hit like that.

About the 20k rips , you can never know what can happen , blind acs defending - i wouldn`t do that if i were in Gozar position. 4-5 ppl can jump out of vmode and raise 600-800k LG and smash those rips.

It was risky and not asked for.

I`m sure Gozar send the DF back to Flapper , it was a NO GLORY hit , but had to be done.

2-3player coulda smash their fleets into flapper , collect and they woulda have 1 less player to worry about for a while.
HELLBOY / Cristi

Re: Gozar[AZGD] vs Flapper[AZGD]~TD~29,090,608,800

#25
Its funny how flapper hasnt said anything so far. i guess he feels its all justified so... kudos for taking a hit that size like a boss flapper. you made it to top number 1 own alliance hit :D

nvm its not top own alliance hit. its actually 3rd in that order.

3. Gozar vs. GenWickedDeez[I.B] TD: 52.325.459.500
4. ikyan [IB] vs. Destruction [IB] TD: 37.014.508.400
6. Gozar [AZGD] vs. Flapper [AZGD] TD: 29.090.608.800

interestingly two of them involved gozar.. and even tho it says gozar has no alliance tag trust me he was I.B on and off and on again for that hit.
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Re: Gozar[AZGD] vs Flapper[AZGD]~TD~29,090,608,800

#27
I will forego my usual and just say, for such a mighty and powerful Alliance, with the biggest Fleets on the server, you Azgd talk like you are under pressure much more than it appears to mere Mortals, Knowing Flapper like I do, I imagine he was detained from meeting his Fleet, has a good history of Fleet management, and of the options Azgd had to pick from, I think they chose the option that best suited His Majesty, I would like to hear Flapper comment once, or has he gone Mute like Thorr? Hit was simply Murder, glotr Flapper
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Re: Gozar[AZGD] vs Flapper[AZGD]~TD~29,090,608,800

#29
I really have no interest in reading this thread. Not because I'm in some state of mounring. Certainly it stings to loose a fleet, but so it goes. I don't want to read it because I get the idea it's become a bash Gozar event, which is just ignorant. What occured is what would have happened in any fleeting alliance. I was way late. No one had any idea when I'd be back, so Gozar took my fleet. SGA did it, others have done it, more will do it. It's standard proceedure, period. I would hope most of you don't think I'm a push over, so even if you questioned the attack on day one, surely you'd realize that a truely hostile or selffish act would have resulted in my leaving AZGD. Maybe not.

I have a request for those who have any respect for me. If you must Gozar bash, don't include me. This show is over. Move along. Nothing to see.

And thank you all for the GLOTR's.
Outside the box? What box?