its already complicated with the player himself, lets not bring in more players in this cause vmode really is an individual act.

SPY wrote:its already complicated with the player himself, lets not bring in more players in this cause vmode really is an individual act.

I specified that it would be only for when your own fleet landed on your own planet. How does that bring in more players?

apologies, that fleet thingy got me confused. but still dont like the idea. vmode should be really simple solution that the decision can be taken on the spur of the moment.

It doesnt need to be complicated.

The main reason for the request is because i think VM is abused and i think its a form of cheating to just VM coz someone is about to hit your fleet.

I dont think many of you are understanding it, the only reason you would VM 98% of the time if your fleet is in the air is to escape (Which is cheating).

This is a Strategy game, where is the strategy in not being able to time your fleet to land in conjunction as to when you are to VMode.

When i went on holiday i would always make sure everything was down, or if i have an emergency i know i will just have to bite my tongue and hope im not hit, untill i can get there to VMode

TheLegendFishpond wrote: I dont think many of you are understanding it, the only reason you would VM 98% of the time if your fleet is in the air is to escape (Which is cheating).

Well first of all you can't possibly know that 98% of people are doing it to escape, unless you have watched every single person in the game that ever goes in VM. So your point there is useless.

Secondly, cheating is something that is against the written rules of the game. This is a feature of the game that some people frown upon, yet has been discussed before and given the "ok" to use by the Zorg Empire administration. If it was cheating, we would know.

Lastly, instead of repeating yourself every single time you post, why not talk about this in a civilised way that takes into account both sides of the situation, not assuming everyone else cannot understand what you are saying. The fact that people whine endlessly about being victimised because their latest kill got away is ridiculous when you look at the whole effect of what a change like this would cause.

I dont think provoking me is very nice when i really believe in a suggestion i have made

I dont really think you have a place to respond in that manner. You have been out the game a very long time and alot has changed, trying to bait me into a duel argument is quite pathetic of you, you aint no mod anymore despite your input on the Xat.com chat thing when there is a perfectly good chat on Zorg itself, anything for a bit of power ay!!

Abusing the power of an addition like VM to me is cheating (whatever your silly little handbook might say), and many people have not understood or have misread information.

Im asking that after 15 months this is re looked into as i have suggested that its changed

Also my percentages are based on my experiences, if i was to do a poll you would ask only a selection you wouldnt ask everyone... Correct?? So shhhhh.!

TheLegendFishpond wrote:I dont think provoking me is very nice when i really believe in a suggestion i have made

I dont really think you have a place to respond in that manner. You have been out the game a very long time and alot has changed, trying to bait me into a duel argument is quite pathetic of you, you aint no mod anymore despite your input on the Xat.com chat thing when there is a perfectly good chat on Zorg itself, anything for a bit of power ay!!

Abusing the power of an addition like VM to me is cheating (whatever your silly little handbook might say), and many people have not understood or have misread information.

Im asking that after 15 months this is re looked into as i have suggested that its changed

Also my percentages are based on my experiences, if i was to do a poll you would ask only a selection you wouldnt ask everyone... Correct?? So shhhhh.!

Fish please try to show maturity when refuting someone who disagrees with you. I promise it will help your cause.

SPY wrote:apologies, that fleet thingy got me confused. but still dont like the idea. vmode should be really simple solution that the decision can be taken on the spur of the moment.

Spy if you are confused about a point, or suspect that you may be, please ask for clarification before you disagree with it. I will try to clarify the simplicity of what I suggested.

Person A gets a phone call asking them to come into work immediately so they hit VM despite the fact that they have a fleet that will not be back for 2 hours. For the next two hours the planet that fleet is heading toward will be in VM protection however, once the fleet lands it will come out of VM for 1 hour. This will allow anyone who is attempting to use VM as a form of fleet save to be attacked by the individual that was hunting them.

To sum that up if you chose to enter VM while a fleet is out then you would be accepting the risk that you could be attacked for one hour after the fleet landed, at the location the fleet landed.

I think that sounds very simple and like a fair compromise between what the two sides of this argument want.

I show enough maturity scooby.

Another pure point to why i want this done.

So i had someones fleet, i send the attack they ship there fleet into space and bang hit the VM button, that to me is abusing the system and cheating.

I agree with Fishpond. V mode should only be used for emergencies, holidays, or when you just can't play the game to the fullest. Some people use v mode as an excuse from escaping the battle when they know they lost everything. Don't do that, let the person attacking enjoy your mistake. I have made them and learned from those mistakes.

There are lots of people here who calculate their fleet saving perfectly but still can't be online because of sudden things that pop up.
In that time I think it should be fair for those people to use VM without the risk of losing their fleet.
Yes there are people who abuse this when they are under attack or know that an action will be on the way but that is a small group of people who do that.
The other players still play on and fairly.
As I said before, why punish those people who really need this system.
Instead we need to punish only those who abuse it, make a sort of abuse VM report on it and put them on a sort of black list which can lead to a ban or something like that.
If VM gets changed then I know I won't be playing ZE on the long run.
Lets try to think outside the box from now on, the real problem are those who abuse it, not those who use it.
As for some flaming here, I've seen good arguments on both sides.
Respect every one's ideology.
PEACE