Both i believe are unfair. However both have limitaitions. Range and res. It just so happens that it favors the bigger players. In my opinion IPM's should count as an attack and the phalenx is fine because the res needed and range limits are very specific.

crippler, even if the Admins say its a "feature" is it right to hit a person when they're down?

When Hurricane Katrina hit entire games were reset because people were being knocked down by losers who took advantage of it. It isn't right and people knew it. But since a few high ranking players do it, they can be smug about going around it and tell themselves its perfectly alright since the Admin says so.

Admins are wrong. Constantly. It's part of being human. Nailing someone in VM isn't being human. Its exploiting an error in the programming (regardless if that programming was intentional or not).

lanx is a feature we all knew about and accepted as a part of the play. I had the biggest hit in the game because of a lanx and I never complained once. I know what fair is. I know what exploiting an issue is. I know what poor programming is. I'm complaining now.

For the sake of the community and no other reason.

crippler4hm wrote:

Istalris wrote:

Slash wrote:There are two points I want to make-

1. I won't ban you nor do I have any desire to.

2. Hitting someone when they're in the game is one thing. Hitting them when they're not is low.

Exactly, SBT, you say the V mode IPM is a feature? Yes? You say it might be a low thing to do, but you are willing to get your hands dirty if it works and you get ahead. I can ban you, it's a feature, it works, and it will get me ahead. What's the difference?

-Istalris-

I think this is a lil different istal.

1) yes it is a feature for a select few ( just the mods )
2) the V mode nuking,everyone is susceptible to that attack/glitch/feature or whatever it is called.

if everyone had the feature to ban someone then no one would be left playing.

i did send a msg to the admins to clarify this and hope we get some sort of resolution to this.

EDIT: to the whole V mode nuking thing lol. just to make sure everyone is on the same page sorry for the incomplete post.

Yes everyone is susceptable too it, but because i and others play as a turtle, i cannot play this game to the full potential others can. This feature is a handicap to my style of play. If i want to play properly, it is forcing me to become something i am not. Is this fair? I didn't think so.

-Istalris-

Slash wrote:crippler, even if the Admins say its a "feature" is it right to hit a person when they're down?

When Hurricane Katrina hit entire games were reset because people were being knocked down by losers who took advantage of it. It isn't right and people knew it. But since a few high ranking players do it, they can be smug about going around it and tell themselves its perfectly alright since the Admin says so.

Admins are wrong. Constantly. It's part of being human. Nailing someone in VM isn't being human. Its exploiting an error in the programming (regardless if that programming was intentional or not).

lanx is a feature we all knew about and accepted as a part of the play. I had the biggest hit in the game because of a lanx and I never complained once. I know what fair is. I know what exploiting an issue is. I know what poor programming is. I'm complaining now.

For the sake of the community and no other reason.

i agree with you slash, and I think a few of the guys that have posted hit the nail right on the head when they said that IF the whole community is opposed to this being a "feature" then im sure the admins will make the proper adjustments.
But i refrain from calling it a "bug" if the Admins have referred to it as a "feature" since i have no knowledge of how they made the game and the capacity they gave to V mode nuking.

I think its not fair on both ends.
not fair it happened to istal, and its not fair to call the ones that nuked him cheaters.

really if the game is to last, nuking in V mode should be rid off totally. and move on.

Im not a programmer so im not sure what constitutes as a bug or a feature or both.

Ive not even used lanx yet ( really coz i dont raid much and fall into a semi turtle style player) but i can see how some newer players can be abused by it by opposing players that have alliance members/or themselves have moons early on opposed to ones that dont. but like you said its part of the game and we all have to deal with it.

Exactly, SBT, you say the V mode IPM is a feature? Yes? You say it might be a low thing to do, but you are willing to get your hands dirty if it works and you get ahead. I can ban you, it's a feature, it works, and it will get me ahead. What's the difference?

-Istalris-[/quote]


I think this is a lil different istal.

1) yes it is a feature for a select few ( just the mods )
2) the V mode nuking,everyone is susceptible to that attack/glitch/feature or whatever it is called.

if everyone had the feature to ban someone then no one would be left playing.

i did send a msg to the admins to clarify this and hope we get some sort of resolution to this.

EDIT: to the whole V mode nuking thing lol. just to make sure everyone is on the same page sorry for the incomplete post.[/quote]

Yes everyone is susceptable too it, but because i and others play as a turtle, i cannot play this game to the full potential others can. This feature is a handicap to my style of play. If i want to play properly, it is forcing me to become something i am not. Is this fair? I didn't think so.

-Istalris-[/quote]

i agree with you in that regards, i wasnt agreeing on the "able to ban" post one.
i think if you look at my raid count. im still under 200 total, i guess i can be considered a turtle player ( just not a very good one lol) myself.

I guess its hard for me to choose a side since its not been verified by the admin to the public here inthe forums why this is a "feature" and not a "bug"

like sad, ive been a mod for a lil over a year in another OL game, and i try to stay outside the box and look at everything/everyone's posts/concerns/views opposed to picking a side and sticking to it.

i hope this does get resolved soon though.

Maybe a thread voting yay or nay to the V mode nuking.

i vote to take it off personally.

crippler, you're missing the guts of what I'm saying- there is a high probability that it can't be fixed (so now it's called a "feature").

Given the plethora of issues that remain open, I have a strong suspicion that it would never be taken as a priority as a fix. Don't hold your breath for the 25th of April.

WOW. I think we just hit a record for the most rule-breaking in any thread EVER. Grats on that, everyone. Very nice accomplishment.

Anyways, IPMing in V mode SHOULD NOT be allowed, simply because it is a pretty cheap move to do. You don't go around nut-checking people because you can (Or, I hope not).

However, if it is a feature (Regardless of why, whether it was intentional or a lack of intelligence on someone's part) you shouldn't be up-in-arms about it, flaming anyone and everyone that uses it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that. You don't see me running through the forums screaming "I hate turtles! Everyone who turtles should be lit on fire and hung from their toes!!!!" do you? I don't agree with turtling, but that doesn't mean everyone who uses it is some sort of unintelligent scum-bag of the Earth. I just simply don't use it. Sad IPMs someone while he is in V mode, tough luck. You don't see people that go inactive crying because Mintaka crashed them, do you? They weren't in the game, so they shouldn't be able to be hit according to the logic displayed earlier in this thread.

You want to say Sad only plays for points, yet you want to complain because you (Or someone else, I've got no idea who was IPMed) lost some points because of a FEATURE in the game (Once again, intentional or not).

Instead of trying to make a scene (And create drama, which you always seemed so against) and quit your position, try making a suggestion.

And yes, this was directed at Slash, simply because he seems to be the spokesman for the argument.

And if someone wants to warn me for mod-baiting, the mods were already IN the argument before I arrived. I've baited no one into an argument, I simply jumped into the fray. Just want to point that out before someone tries jumping down my throat about it.

Slash wrote:crippler, you're missing the guts of what I'm saying- there is a high probability that it can't be fixed (so now it's called a "feature").

Given the plethora of issues that remain open, I have a strong suspicion that it would never be taken as a priority as a fix. Don't hold your breath for the 25th of April.

Actually, I think they'll make the deadline, simply by saying "Nothing else is a bug. It was all intended." Maybe I'm out of line by stating that, but so be it. You shouldn't release a half-finished game, anyways. You don't start selling cars when all you've got is a bucket of paint and some scrap metal/

Slash wrote:crippler, you're missing the guts of what I'm saying- there is a high probability that it can't be fixed (so now it's called a "feature").

Given the plethora of issues that remain open, I have a strong suspicion that it would never be taken as a priority as a fix. Don't hold your breath for the 25th of April.

if that is the case, then that idea about the Blacklist thread would serve its purpose moving forward.

I do understand what your trying to point out Slash, trust me i do. But still, until the admin's clarify that its an unfixable bug, i cant say it is or it isn't.

I guess ill just wait for the Pm back or an open forum discussion with a clarification of what this actually is from the admins.

Slash wrote:viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1325&start=0

Yeah, must have spent too much time reading this

I gave my view in it, though.