Stempf wrote: if you had level 40 mines you could make only 42 battle cruisers per day with the mine income

if you had level 40 of each it's 233.84 Battle Cruisers a day. However you have to look at the fact that there are more then one colony. You might not see a point in building buildings, yet it, once again, it's how a person prefers to play.


All I have seen you do is bash the way of the hybrid because you aren't one. If you don't like mines, don't build them. If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't belittle people for playing a certain style.

if you go back to the original post this whole thing started off i pointed out the metal 2 higher than crystal 2 higher than deut was not a very productive way to run your mines for building ships as you are always out of metal, and if you have ships you will always need deut. if you want to be a miner, then yea you need metal higher than crystal and deut is almost not needed at all because buildings take an incredible amount of metal. so my first comment was for ship building with mines. I simply told him not to listen to a miner for building mines for ship building because the ratio you want is very different. then spy started attacking me. So before you accuse me of just bashing, why dont you read all and remember the very first post was right on the money on what a ship builder should do with mines. I didn't say not to build them, didn't bash building them, simply told him what he should do for ship building. then spy bashed me because he uses his mines to build more mines.

If you actually took to time to look at ship prices you would see, other than about 3 or 4 ships, the metal and crystal is very close together.

If you actually took the time to look at buildings, you would see that the metal is close to 2 times the crystal on most buildings (not all most)



So for a person wanting to use mines to build ships, they DO NOT want the same ratio of mines as someone who uses mines to build more mines.

If your going to bash me, then I will tell you what I personally think of the mines all together. However, I DID NOT IN ANY WAY START THE BASHING. I ANSWERED alphaphoenix's question with what he asked for. SHIPS not MINES like spy answered.

And since were on the cost level 40 mines with a level 40 solar plant( which is too low) takes enough resources to build 405,352 battle cruisers. so at your 233 per day that is 158 days assuming you have 11 planets with level 40 across the board. which would take the mines 3.5 years to produce by them selves assuming they were operating at level 40 production the whole time.

And the last point. since you all are famous for say other people have different styles of playing, then why are you PUSHING your style so hard.

I actually don't push my style at all. I have simply stated that you should quit belittling people for playing different styles. Also I pointed out that your math was wrong...

Mines are good to have when you can't raid. you need income coming in all the time. SPY also stated, like I did before, "use mine production for mines, and raided resources for ships." It's really a simple thing.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to push your style on everyone?

SPY also stated, like I did before, "use mine production for mines, and raided resources for ships." It's really a simple thing.
that is SPY pushing his style on others. Surprising you cant see that. Phoenix asked about mines for building ships. so SPY pushed his mines for building mines. Maybe Phoenix doesn't want to raid to build ships. maybe he wants his mines to build ships like he asked for. My original post was answering Phoenix based one what Phoenix wanted. Not based on how I play. You can't seem to see that. Seems everyone can't seem to see that. If Phoenix builds his mines based on what SPY said and then he goes to build his ships, hope he likes Battleships because otherwise he is going to have a lot of metal left over and be very short on crystal. But if Phoenix listens to my first post in here and builds his mines accordingly then he will maximize his ship building. If you read what i said again, i never gave a specif ratio. The reason I didn't give a specific ratio is my ratio my not work for him. I told him how to determine the ratio he needs for himself. But NO can't have someone building mines that isn't they way SPY said to do it. And if someone suggests another way, they are the ones pushing. SEEMS you should take your own advice and read what people are asking for, before you comment. ALSO, I have not pushed my style on anyone. I have ONLY defended my style as a plausible way of doing things, but because its different than yours or SPYs, we cant have that, we must bash Stempf and then claim he is pushing his style on others.

SPY comment to my telling phoenix to build mines according to HIS needs not SPY's ratio.
i wonder what stempf's mining ratio is like... care to share a little demo? or just blabber about something that you dont know how to make sense of?

seems I wasn't the one belittling here.

There you go putting words into my mouth again...

I could give two **** what you do for a style, I have never said anything about your style being different.

I pointed out that your math was wrong, and I pointed out how you attempted to belittle spy for his style.

If you read the Phoenix's original post, you would see he was already talking about having higher metal mine then crystal, but always upping Deuterium. SPY continued with that, which is his play style, to get him the help he was asking for.

Why is is that your arrogance seems to be the only thing trolling the forums anymore?

as simple fact as you said... the original topic.

the author wanted to know

AlphaPhoenix wrote:I was trying to balance my mines with the cost it takes to produce some common ships and found that (as I was always under the presumption of) your metal should be highest then crystal followed by deuterium. Now other than deuterium, which always can and should be up-ed, what is the "golden ratio" of your crystal and metal mines as the higher the metal level is it soon outproduces crystal by such a margin that leaves excess metal left over.

So for those who just skim, what is a good ratio for you mine levels to be at?

alpha clearly asked for a balanced mining ratio.. for fleet yes but he asked for a mining ratio so clearly he puts alot more faith in mining than you do. what ratio u provided in the above doesn get u a balanced fleeting ratio it simply keeps ur metal income at a flat ratio.

two simple scenarios.

1) you are going to build the next batch of fleets
2) you are going up increase your next level of crystal/deut/solar plant upgrades.

the first one will clean you out of your metals and crystals. you are left with your deut. have fun spending those with fleet saving and launching at targets..

now i wonder how u are going to manage building upgrading ur mines?

ohh wait you will get imperial support using rubies... to get res but hey wait imperial support gets ur res back in ratio to your metal mins... see where u are looping urself into a pit?

try to see reason that in this game everything is important mining fleeting research raiding.

first of all rj, yes i said day when i meant hour. so it was off. You win there, congrats.
second of all. metal is cheap. you will not upgrade your mines in any realistic time frame with the mine income. mines increase at a decreasing rate. by level 27 your metal mine is only increasing your production by 14.2% while the metal cost to make the next one are staying at a steady 50% crystal mines increase at the same dwindling production while each level increases at 58% to 60% per level. deut also has the same dwindling returns which can vary depending on location (same for crystal) with a 50% increase in resources per level. then their is the solar plants that have to be built. one for every metal and crystal mine and an increasing number for deut mines. so the higher the level your mines go, the longer it takes them to pay for the next one. that is an Exponential increase in time. and since a level 40 crystal mine cost 4.3 billion in metal and 2.2 billion in crystal, your going to either have to carry that res or defend it. that adds time to building the next level as you have to divert funds. So if you want to spend 5.5 years building your mines up to a point where you have an hourly production of 408,333 metal, about 271,555 crystal (varies depending on location) , and 176,238 deut (varies depending on location), by all means go ahead. I started with a mine build for ship production till i really sat down and crunched these numbers and realized it was a waste. THEY NEVER PAY FOR THEM SELVES IF YOU EVER WANT TO UPGRADE AGAIN. so that kills your looping yourself into a pit theory.
However, if you have a target goal of production, you can RAID the resources to build your MINES up to that target goal. And since you are RAIDING those resources anyway, you want to build your mines for what your going to use them for. In phoenix case he said building ships. Since he is raiding to get the res to make the mines at the level he wants to build the ships he wants to build, their is not LOOPING YOURSELF INTO A PIT. and as spy pointed out with his quote PHOENIX SAID I was always under the presumption. A presumption all the miners put out there as they want they just think everyone is going to use mine resources to build mines. If you all cant do the basic math, may i suggest a calculator.
If he wanted to be a miner, then spy is right on the money. but he didnt ask about being a miner. CANT YOU SEE THAT!!!!
and spy the mining ratio he wanted was for FLEET not mines. so when you gave him mines ratio i corrected for fleet ratio. I didnt not put my mines up orginally because my mines (where i have any) were for my purpose not his. you put your mines up, but they were for YOUR purpose NOT his. so keep bashing me, it only makes you all seem more ignorant than your already seem.

Phoenix asked for a good ratio for mines and got answers from opposite sides of the spectrum; both of which work for their intended purpose. Question answered, now stop arguing.