Re: Gospel

#131
He's basically saying, "We become robots when we're in heaven, so who would want to go there?"

Well first of all...that's why it's called FREE WILL. We can choose. That's not robotic.

Two choices:

1. You choose to not want to go to heaven, so instead you go to a place where all your earthly pains hit you at every single moment at the same time for eternity. You don't stop hurting, crying, screaming, and suffering.

2. You choose to follow God to go to heaven. You choose to LOVE AND BE LOVED. Who WOULDN'T want that for eternity?...To love and be loved?...That's the greatest thing that any being can give...
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Re: Gospel

#132
God's concept of free will is a simple illusion. You are given the choice of hell and heaven, suffering and happiness. Such a decision. I chose to not believe because I realize this and suffering is more appealing to me then eternity with someone like that.

P.S. If you think this is my only reason, there are plenty more with it, so it isn't just that I don't like how God is.

Re: Gospel

#133
I have a question for all the hardcore Christians. I am not a believer. I am not rejecting the idea of god, but I don't guess on things that are impossible to know. However, I am nice and always do my best to do the right thing. Let's say your beliefs are correct. I am supposed to burn in Hell forever for not making the correct GUESS, even though I am a genuinely good person? The priorities of acceptance to heaven seem backwards. So someone please explain this to me.

Re: Gospel

#134
Apologies to all:

I'm sorry but I think I will have to refrain myself from reading this forum. I would love to discuss with you further on my beliefs and testimony; but I can simply not avoid being offended and "smacked in the face" for my beliefs no matter who I try to defend.

I apologize if I offended ANY of you. If I did so, please PM me and we will talk it out further there. I don't have the right to judge anyone, and neither does anyone else.

Regards and Good Evening to all,
Gale
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Re: Gospel

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Thatguyeric wrote:I have a question for all the hardcore Christians. I am not a believer. I am not rejecting the idea of god, but I don't guess on things that are impossible to know. However, I am nice and always do my best to do the right thing. Let's say your beliefs are correct. I am supposed to burn in Hell forever for not making the correct GUESS, even though I am a genuinely good person? The priorities of acceptance to heaven seem backwards. So someone please explain this to me.
Yes, the only thing that matters is loving God. No matter what you do, you could even die defending an innocent by stander in an event, but with out God, he is gonna send you to hell.

Re: Gospel

#136
AmeOkami wrote:
Thatguyeric wrote:I have a question for all the hardcore Christians. I am not a believer. I am not rejecting the idea of god, but I don't guess on things that are impossible to know. However, I am nice and always do my best to do the right thing. Let's say your beliefs are correct. I am supposed to burn in Hell forever for not making the correct GUESS, even though I am a genuinely good person? The priorities of acceptance to heaven seem backwards. So someone please explain this to me.
Yes, the only thing that matters is loving God. No matter what you do, you could even die defending an innocent by stander in an event, but with out God, he is gonna send you to hell.
Please be more polite. I take basically the same position as you, but your words are harsh and obviously there are people that are easily offended at a delicate subject.

Re: Gospel

#137
Gale wrote:I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I was saying that it was not God's fault that sin was created. If you give birth to a son who later becomes a serial killer; is it your fault?...Satan had free will like we do.
If I were a God, I would not have created a son that was a serial killer and being an All Knowing God I'd have known about sin and Satan (which by the way is a Christian interpretation of the serpent).
Gale wrote:I believe that even if you say "MR. Brown, you suck", it's still impolite. You're right. Many Christians should not even have the right to call themselves Christians if they judge other people. No one has the right to judge. However, do you not think that Satan is the one pushes them to the limit? Putting that voice in their heads "it's okay to be rude", "you're right about everything". Oh sure, it's THEIR choice and THEIR fault for saying such things (not sarcastic), but someone has to put a seed in their head.
What seed? Faith without works is dead. Truth comes from understanding and NOT by repeating religious dogma hyperbole.
Gale wrote:Not sure what you mean. The bible was written of hundreds of years by over 40 men who lived on 3 different continents in 72 lands (most of them never even knew eachother) and yet NONE of the books contridict themselves and they all fit in chronological order. You think that's coincidence? And it doesn't matter what people believe - but it's been proven that Jesus was an ACTUAL person. Some people say he was a good teacher, some say the Son of God, some say a liar. But he WAS a person.
Wow. Where are you getting your facts? There are numerous contradictions. Actually, an incredible lot.

And where did you get your sources of information as to the authors of the bible? Many of the New Testament Scholars have no idea the true number of sources and thanks to King James, many of the books no longer exist as gospel. And the chronology of the current King James version was used for the baseline of all subsequent versions out of simplicity. The Dead Sea scrolls do not support the KJ time line. The letters of John were ordered as propaganda after his death and were not sequenced as written. There is a very large body of evidence that many of the New Testament texts were written by only a few people some 20 to 160 years after Jesus died.

As far as proof of Jesus, the name was quite common but there is absolutely no proof that a Nazarene named Jesus was ever considered a holy man or the only begotten son of God.

Gale, it's okay to believe and spread his word. But be objective. The Bible is a great source of inspiration, but do not let the belief get in the way of the Truth. And to run away from a debate because you feel offended??? That's so incredibly typical.
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Re: Gospel

#138
Thatguyeric wrote:
AmeOkami wrote:
Thatguyeric wrote:I have a question for all the hardcore Christians. I am not a believer. I am not rejecting the idea of god, but I don't guess on things that are impossible to know. However, I am nice and always do my best to do the right thing. Let's say your beliefs are correct. I am supposed to burn in Hell forever for not making the correct GUESS, even though I am a genuinely good person? The priorities of acceptance to heaven seem backwards. So someone please explain this to me.
Yes, the only thing that matters is loving God. No matter what you do, you could even die defending an innocent by stander in an event, but with out God, he is gonna send you to hell.
Please be more polite. I take basically the same position as you, but your words are harsh and obviously there are people that are easily offended at a delicate subject.
Sorry about my harshness.

Re: Gospel

#139
TGE, faith is not a guess. God will only accept those that follow him. You do, or you do not. That does not mean that mistakes make you go to hell, but if you dont believe, what good does guessing do anyway? God did not say, only those with the biggest toys win, or only those with the highest education, or this or that, simply only those that believe. You cant even argue the point to those of us that believe. We do not accpect that he is not here no matter what may be said. Personally, sometimes I wonder if I have already f**ked up and this life is my hell. Sometimes I get friggin mad at God, but I still believe no matter what, even if things dont seem to go my way. I may not like it by how I feel, but I still believe.

And as i read back a bit, I notice lot of why this and why that, and God's imperfections. Here is my belief on Adam and eve and the "serpent". First, we all know that Satan was once God's highest Angel, and Satan was jealous of God and God kicked him out of heaven. If Heaven is perfect, how did Satan have jealousy as a trait? I believe that he allowed Satan to have that trait in the effort that mankind would be made and need to have a choice. Adam and Eve were given no sin, but given free will and used that free will to defy God and "Eat from the Tree of Knowledge". They created the first sin by choice, not God. And thus became the evolution of humanity. God simply wants us to follow his words. You do not have to, that is your choice. You can satanically twist and turn the word of God all you like, but in the end, the faith and folllowing of his words is all that matter.
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Re: Gospel

#140
Would it be too much to ask for this topic to be locked? I know it is general discussion, but nothing good has come of this, in fact bad things have come from it.
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