He did...

AmeOkami wrote:He did...

He knew about the serpent yet did nothing to stop the first sin. Two perfect people with no knowledge of good and evil and therefore unable to tell right from wrong were set up by a loving God to fail all of the future of humanity? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, and, according to Christianity, we pay for it.

Slash wrote:He knew about the serpent yet did nothing to stop the first sin. Two perfect people with no knowledge of good and evil and therefore unable to tell right from wrong were set up by a loving God to fail all of the future of humanity? Is that what you're saying?

God doesn't want a bunch of robots walking around Earth to worship him. He wants them to worship him by CHOICE. Free will is needed for that. It's not like he enjoyed having the serpent there, but was it not necessary? God is perfect - and therefore - does not take part in sin. The serpent (Satan) was the first to sin, and to make Eve sin, then Adam, and created free will. Now, all of mankind has the choice to do what is right and what is wrong. It's our CHOICE to love - that's what he wanted. True love is not being MADE (and God could easily make us love Him) to love, it's choosing to love.

Slash, I understand that you are not meaning to anger anyone; but your last post was very...impolite. Please try to not "insult" anyone's god ("set up by a loving God to fail all of the future of humanity?"). God is more important to me than anything. If I have to defend him and get banned in the process...I will.

He wants us to worship using free will. What about when we get to heaven? When we are stripped over our knowledge of both sides of the story, of good and evil. After that, we only have one choice...One choice, sound like something? You go to heaven to become robots, since you are given one option: Worship.

Gale wrote:God doesn't want a bunch of robots walking around Earth to worship him. He wants them to worship him by CHOICE. Free will is needed for that. It's not like he enjoyed having the serpent there, but was it not necessary? God is perfect - and therefore - does not take part in sin. The serpent (Satan) was the first to sin, and to make Eve sin, then Adam, and created free will. Now, all of mankind has the choice to do what is right and what is wrong. It's our CHOICE to love - that's what he wanted. True love is not being MADE (and God could easily make us love Him) to love, it's choosing to love.

Slash, I understand that you are not meaning to anger anyone; but your last post was very...impolite. Please try to not "insult" anyone's god ("set up by a loving God to fail all of the future of humanity?"). God is more important to me than anything. If I have to defend him and get banned in the process...I will.

So, you're saying God isn't perfect because He created a creature that immediately needed to be revised by subjecting him to evil in order to get a better servile being? What kind of defense is that???

And if you're angry by my opinion, note that I'm using the respectful version of He. I believe in God, but I'm not a robot either. It irritates me to no end that some so called Christians demand that we all see Him in some glorified version of what they think God is and no other perspective is acceptable. That's dogma, deary, and has alienated more people from the Path than anything Satan's minions could ever do. Open your eyes and think outside of the box.

You'll be furious to know that the story of the serpent in the garden predated the Bible by nearly a century in Sumeria. But that doesn't make me believe any less.

AmeOkami wrote:He wants us to worship using free will. What about when we get to heaven? When we are stripped over our knowledge of both sides of the story, of good and evil. After that, we only have one choice...One choice, sound like something? You go to heaven to become robots, since you are given one option: Worship.

In heaven you do not only worship, you share Gods knowledge and become apart of his holyness. There is also the fact that no living man or woman knows what awaits us in heaven.

What verse is this?

When we go to heaven, God makes us perfect. How were Adam and Eve perfect? When they didn't know about sin.

Slash wrote: So, you're saying God isn't perfect because He created a creature that immediately needed to be revised by subjecting him to evil in order to get a better servile being? What kind of defense is that???.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I was saying that it was not God's fault that sin was created. If you give birth to a son who later becomes a serial killer; is it your fault?...Satan had free will like we do.

Slash wrote:And if you're angry by my opinion, note that I'm using the respectful version of He. I believe in God, but I'm not a robot either. It irritates me to no end that some so called Christians demand that we all see Him in some glorified version of what they think God is and no other perspective is acceptable. That's dogma, deary, and has alienated more people from the Path than anything Satan's minions could ever do. Open your eyes and think outside of the box.

I believe that even if you say "MR. Brown, you suck", it's still impolite. You're right. Many Christians should not even have the right to call themselves Christians if they judge other people. No one has the right to judge. However, do you not think that Satan is the one pushes them to the limit? Putting that voice in their heads "it's okay to be rude", "you're right about everything". Oh sure, it's THEIR choice and THEIR fault for saying such things (not sarcastic), but someone has to put a seed in their head.

Slash wrote:You'll be furious to know that the story of the serpent in the garden predated the Bible by nearly a century in Sumeria. But that doesn't make me believe any less.

Not sure what you mean. The bible was written of hundreds of years by over 40 men who lived on 3 different continents in 72 lands (most of them never even knew eachother) and yet NONE of the books contridict themselves and they all fit in chronological order. You think that's coincidence? And it doesn't matter what people believe - but it's been proven that Jesus was an ACTUAL person. Some people say he was a good teacher, some say the Son of God, some say a liar. But he WAS a person.

Dhoulmegus wrote:In heaven you do not only worship, you share Gods knowledge and become apart of his holyness. There is also the fact that no living man or woman knows what awaits us in heaven.

Hebrews 11:16, 13:14
Revelations 20:2

As to your statement, you're saying my reward for being devout is to be consumed into a perpetual state of knowledgeable bliss? *cough*